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Ras Feqade's avatar

I am certain my research has not gone unnoticed. But what are you trying to prove here? That the traditions recorded in the Torah were actually adapted from some earlier and supposedly more pristine source that had allegedly been revealed by the Babylonian pantheon? We want to avoid barking up the wrong tree altogether...

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Benjamin Ritzer's avatar

Sorry my friend, what do you mean your research? I may be familiar, without realizing, but I'm not sure what you refer to.

I wouldn't say this is anything to do with earlier adapted traditions, but rather that what the Torah speaks of is truth. The Babylonians traditions are not relevant, but pieces of their story are indeed recorded in the Bible. We can't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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Ras Feqade's avatar

I should have specified what research I meant. On my site I came to a similar conclusion that the mention of Enmebaragesi of Kish vs. Elam on the SKL probably really was the first war fought after the flood. I was surprised to find I am not the only one who sees it that way.

Some have claimed the archaeology of Sumer stretches back thousands of years earlier than I think is feasible. Shinar was settled well after the flood as indicated in the Torah, but some assume it was also where they were before the flood as the Sumerians would claim. The historical record from archaeology actually starts with Enmebaragesi who was after the deluge and no trace of anything there from before the deluge.

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Benjamin Ritzer's avatar

Agreed! However, I will say i do believe there were people there prior, such as the Garden Eden which is located there in the lower marshes. However the first "post-deluge" settlement is as you indicated.

I don't identify full the period with Nimrod, however, which is what this specifically is aiming at understanding. Im trying to see the figure Nimrod and find how different amalgamations form the legends regarding his duplicity with Amraphel. The next coming 5-6 sections will all deal with this subject.

Appreciate your support, and liking/reading the posts greatly! It's a huge help.

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Ras Feqade's avatar

How do you explain Enmebaragesi in 2700 BC and his son Agga 100 years later in 2600 BC? I take it those are "ballpark figures"... On my timeline Gilgamesh' defeat of Agga is only 8 years after Enmebaragesi defeated Elam...

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